So apparently my last post was whiny. Well, yeah, it was. So here is a break from me.
I now believe that Kashmir has the right to be an independent state if that's what the people want. No, I did no support Khalistan (wasn't born then, but whatever)and donot support the slowly crazing Bal Thackeray's proclamations of Maharashtra being bigger than Nehru. But I support Azad Kashmir.
Yes, I doubt Kashmir has the resources and military strength to protect itself from the inevitable Pakistani attempt to conquer it, and yes, it will be very very fragile, but they should be given a chance.
An excerpt from Wikipedia:
"Pakistan claims that the insurgents in Kashmir are Jammu and Kashmir citizens, and they are rising up against the Indian Army in an independence movement. It also says the Indian Army is committing serious human rights violations to the citizens of Jammu and Kashmir. It denies that it is giving armed help to the insurgents.
India claims these insurgents are Islamic terrorist groups from Pakistan-administered Kashmir and Afghanistan, fighting to make Jammu and Kashmir part of Pakistan.It believes Pakistan is giving armed help to the terrorists, and training them in Pakistan. It also says the terrorists have been killing many citizens in Kashmir, and committing human rights violations, while denying that its own armed forces are responsible for the human rights abuses."
In all this, where are the Kashmiris?
I, for one, know very little about this. Media reports showcase the political parties and countries blaming eachother for the violence (never elaborated) in Kashmir. What do I really know of the Kashmiris? The people who live there, what do they want?
Do they feel tired and helpless? Do they want to be Pakistanis or Indians? (Although that question won't make a concrete difference, they'll be equally ill-treated on either side of the border, I have come to believe.)
A sensible Kashmiri wants to be neither, hopefully. Anyone who believes that Pakistan is going to treat them better than India is fooling him/herself because:
a) The Taliban now slowly gaining on Pak, in spite of the army's recent small victory over them.
b) It is, after all, Pakistan. No offence to anyone, but they've always wanted to announce their territorial rights over Kashmir. And if they can send insurgents and declare war at the fall of a hat, they are capable of much worse.
Also, Pakistan is vulnerable economically, thanks to having pumped all their aid money into the development of nuclear weaponry. (O.K., no actual proof of that, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the direct relationship between increasing aid from the US and reports of Pak's nuclear weapons)
So, hopefully, Kashmiris want Kashmir, not Pakistan. Nor India.
How do I start elaborating on my possibly one-sided account of why India should let Kashmir be?
I already have. The fact that I (and possibly you, too) know so little about them, about public opinion on the matter. Is the National Conference more important than the average Kashmiri? Although recently the Kashmiris have expressed hope for change by showing an astonishing turn-out of 60% for the last elections (Where NC and not PPP won)despite a Pakistani call to boycott it.
Secondly, the Indian army. Kargil was a stupenduous, praiseworthy victory. The Indian Army did much better than expected. Militancy rates have fallen. Where, in 2005, 557 civilians fell victims to militancy, the number fell to 91 in 2008. Shabash.
But what of Shopian? The gang-rape and murder of two young women in the valley has led to much protesting and stone-throwing. Truthfully, I find it pretty easy to believe that army personnel were involved. A bunch of young men, stuck without female company in a place far away from home, drunk on the power only having a killing machine in your hand can give the youth. Pretty easy to believe they did it.
There have been reports of Army crimes for a while now (could admittedly be the work of external forces), but here is a concrete case which makes me change my opinion on a piece of my country.
Thirdly, the fact that the Kashmiris appear a peaceful lot who sincerely want a chance to be in control; simply because those who are now, are dissatisfactory to them. This is no MNS or Shiv Sena that riots at the slightest provocation(and lack, thereof), this is a state that resorts to complete shut-downs and stone-throwing at murders and rapes believed to be by the Army meant to protect them.
Fourthly, and unexpectedly, after much searching, I found this:
"Two US based research institutes (the Program on International Policy Attitudes and the WorldPublicOpinion.Org) have conducted a survey in Indian and Pakistani Kashmir regions on what Kashmiris want. The survey, which the groups say is the first of its kind on both sides of the de facto border, shows that Kashmiris feel they are being used by rivals India and Pakistan to advance those countries' agendas. For both India and Pakistan, Kashmir is strategic and has become a matter of prestige over the years."
I have to admit, there is nothing in this that I can honestly and rightly defend my beloved (no sarcasm intended) India against. It is definitely a matter of prestige that we have Kashmir, and on many levels it is rubbed in.
I'm sure there must be a number of other reasons for and against my current support for Azad Kashmir (really Azad, not the Pakistani meaning, which is 'free from India').
However, in the end, I believe that this is no Khalistan. No one is threatening to blow us up if we don't give in to their (I'm beginning to believe righteous) demands. These are people who are simply asking that we stop using them (whether or not we actually are, if they feel that way, it matters).
It is simple decency that we admit we may not be 'all that', and give them their country.
Admittedly, there have to be a 100 things I amn't thinking about, like how this is going to fuel Gorkhaland, and possibly Maharashtra and Punjab, and what effect this will have on our revenue, exports etc.
(28 freedom movements will probably start out in 28 different states and everyone would rate being a Maharashtrian or Tamilian higher than being an Indian.)
But Kashmir deserves some dignity after 62 years of being brawled over.
Also, who is listening anyway? ;-)
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Well, i support a Azad Kashmir too. and as Arundhati Roy said, is not that Kashmir needs to be free of India, its more like India needs to be free of Kashmir.
ReplyDeletei wouldnt have supported the cause, but you just cannot deny how much the mass hates to be called 'Indian'.
and also the evil that the IA does in Kashmir.
and i am not that worried about other insurgents being fueled. no where else is there mass support for the insurgency.
in Assam, every one wants to be part of India, and ULFA is hated more here than anywhere else.
i was worried for Nagaland, and still am, but they too have calmed down a bit. Manipur's militancy, i think, are confused whether to demand for a separate state, or rule it anyways or just terrorise people. other than them, no other NE state has any big insurgency issue.
and Gorkhaland is not supposed to be an independent country, just a separate state formed out of W. Bengal, just like the Rajbonshis and Koch Beharis are demanding separate states with the Indian Union. but it does make me wonder if all the ethnic groups will now have a separate state. next we would he having states like Pathanistan and AngloIndianland in our country? and what about the Lepchas, the original inhabitants of the supposed Gorkhaland areas?
i do think that in all the Kashmir issue, the Pandits do get a say. and i would prefer a Azad Kashmir over a Pakistani Kashmir anyday.
PS: POK is known as 'Azad Kashmir' in Pakistan, even though it is still made to be a part of the Pakistani union.
Nice to hear that, P.
ReplyDeleteThanks for all the information on Gorkhaland. It was ULFA I was referring to then. *hangs head at pitiful ignorance*
Yes, I know about the POK Azad Kashmir thing, hence the title. I have also mentioned it somewhere in the post I think. Oh yeah:
"I'm sure there must be a number of other reasons for and against my current support for Azad Kashmir (really Azad, not the Pakistani meaning, which is 'free from India')."
Thanks for reading this long-winded rant. :-)
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ReplyDeleteHi Green-seas. Here's my two cents.
ReplyDeleteFirst, it has been obvious to me that neither India nor Pakistan actually wants Kashmir as badly as it seems.
Pakistan, as I think we agree, is doing pretty bad with its administration, but how does it justify that? Everyone needs something to blame everything upon. That thing, IMO, is Kashmir. I can easily imagine one of those folks saying that the reason they aren't doing any good is because they do not have Kashmir.
As for India, if it really wanted Kashmir, it could have had it by now, seeing that we have better military than them, either that, or I need to get myself updated. (No, I do not support 'might makes right', but my point should be clear.)
As for the Kashmiris... Hmm, Interesting. Firstly, does everyone 'deserve' everything they 'want'? Not really.
If they 'want' Kashmir to be independent and I 'want' Kashmir to be a part of India, whom should the government listen to? The majority? This is the basic problem with democracy, many wrongs make a right.
I'm not really good at this, but I think that if Kashmir can give us a *good deal*, we should let them be independent. (Free-market principle)
Well, it's not for us to decide if they 'deserve' it. If they want it, we hand it over and see what they do with it. After that, it's entirely their problem.
ReplyDeleteYeah, we'd probably have to step in, whenever Pak attacks, but we're dealing with *people*, not money.
Also, as they're Kashmiris, I'd say, what they 'want is a higher priority than what you 'want'.
Are you honestly suggesting we *sell* them freedom? No offence, but that is a despicable idea. What are we losing, by giving up Kashmir? (Yeah, I know, revenue and all, but don't you think the amount we spend on defence there makes up for it?)
Also, it seems like the tables have turned. Thanks to the benevolent and heart-achingly kind USA, Pak now has the nuclear arsenal to destroy us.
Also, you're right, both sides are hanging on to Kashmir simply because they'd rather the other side didn't have it.
ReplyDeleteAnd I, Pallav and a bunch of our friends know for a fact that Kashmir and India (and surprisingly, Junagadh and Hyderabad. Yes, still.)are Pak's preferred objects of blame for their lack of whatever. We've been at the receiving end. Trust me, those people are sadly deluded. And by none other than their school text-books. :-|
At some point you have to stop being angry and just pity them - because their own Government is lying to them. And when you need facts, whom would ask, if not the Government? They're angry and discontent, and hanging onto the people they're supposed to trust.
How unfortunate that those people lie and divert focus from the actual remedial work possible.
Indians (at least those of us who have spoken to Pakistanis) aren't that stupid. Their nuclear arsenal is being developed against us. Their 62-year-old dream of owning (mark the word) Kashmir may just come true.
Also, attention has to be drawn to the East-Pak fiasco. Fiasco, it was. Thankfully, it got sorted. If it is repeated with Kashmir, will they be that lucky?
Hi Green-seas! I came across your blog while searching for Azad Kashmir. Though your post is a bit dated to carry forward thediscussion, I would like to leave my comments.
ReplyDeleteIrrespective of what Arundhuti Roy thinks, fact remains that Every part of our country is precious to us. Even if we really do not understand or have visited that part. Independence was gained with great sacrifices and this country was formed under certain conditions and situations. Essentially, we are a nation of nations. We also have ample democratic ways to express our will within this nation of nations. We have state assemblies to take care of the nation ( mostly ) and the national government to take care of the nation of the nations. Descent and expressions of alternate views are allowed. Also each state has significant ability and power to decide it's future. Under whatsoever condition and situation Kashmir became part of India. The fact remains that it is part of India. Our country has faced an onslaught of terrorism beginning with Punjab and than in Kashmir supported by Pakistan. The Taliban created by Pakistan will be turned on to India, the moment US ( imminent ) exit from Afghanistan. Gifting away Kashmir to Pakistan in the way of free Kashmir, will not stop anything. In fact, this would become another front of attack. Gifting away Kashmir, as you mention Azad Kashmir, will open up a Pandora box. This nation of nations will see demand of new countries based on the nations. Give a finger and loose the entire arm is the case. Do I hate the Kashmiris? No. I am from Assam, an ethnic Assamese and was in school/junior collage (of impressionable age) at the peak of militancy and I would KNOW.
Let the madcap Arundhati Roy write/say whatever she wants to. After all she has has the rights under our constitution and would be protected and guaranteed by the state if required.
The sacrifices in Kashmir is small today for India, if it has to protect the life of its' citizens tomorrow.
We have not gone after the Pakis. They have been relentlessly attacking us covertly using every opportunity. Separation of Kashmir will vindicate he two nation theory based on religion. They lost this credibility when East Pakistan decided to separate, even though Muslim majority, from west Pakistan.
I sincerely feel sorry for the ordinary Kashmiris. The society has lost two decades and have two emotionally maimed generation.
I am also optimistic that the Kashmiris will recognize, sooner than later who is responsible for their plights. That day is not far off. The last elections shows the beginning.